6/25/2021 01:28:10 pm
I've heard a lot of what I consider to be fairly disingenuous narratives to support the movement to divest commanders of disposition authority, but this has got to be among the most interesting. It certainly isn't consistent with my own experience, for what that's worth. Beyond that, though, this concern with personnel arrangements and availability was raised by the Service Secretaries after gathering input from the field.
Anon
6/25/2021 01:31:44 pm
Oh come on Brian. We have all been in offices where people go to "PT" for two hours a day and sit on the internet (perhaps on this site) for another two hours. What was your caseload when you litigated criminal cases? 6/25/2021 01:47:06 pm
Anon,
John Q. Smith
6/25/2021 02:24:06 pm
This is an unfortunately uninformed and misleading comparison. She mentioned only general courts-martial when talking about the military. What about special and summary-courts martial? What about Non-Judicial Punishment, like Article 15s? I feel confident those numbers would substantially close the supposed gap in workload she is alluding to, or even surpass the numbers in most civilian jurisdictions. When she spoke about the civilian DA’s office, she was very imprecise and used the word “cases.” It’s apples and oranges. Moreover, there is no standing court in the military. It’s easier and often more suitable to dispose of many criminal offenses (not serious felony-level misconduct) with non-judicial punishment, which can be used to impose fines, deprivation of liberty, and to impose significant and detrimental consequences to a servicemember’s career and military record.
DON CHRISTENSEN
6/25/2021 03:36:02 pm
For some perspective on JAG numbers and workload, we can look at the annual reports that the services have filed since 1952.
Attorney
6/25/2021 05:47:30 pm
Don,
DON CHRISTENSEN
6/25/2021 07:06:36 pm
I'm not sure what you mean by this: 6/25/2021 11:37:01 pm
(responding to Don but replying to Attorney's comment since we've reached the end of the comment tree) 6/25/2021 06:52:54 pm
Don,
DON CHRISTENSEN
6/25/2021 07:23:25 pm
Brian, I was still on active duty when MJIA was first proposed. I saw the sloppy back of the envelop math the DoD used to claim they didn't have the manning to implement the proposal. The data push was clear to the field: tell HQ why the legislation couldn't work, not whether it could. But at least they did some math. The chiefs now provided no data point on manning, just a statement they don't have enough qualified JAGs. 6/25/2021 10:42:18 pm
(responding to Don but replying to my note since we've reached the end of the comment tree) 6/25/2021 10:58:08 pm
(responding to Don still, but continuing the entry since the first take got cut off in the middle - sorry about that, CAAFlog team...it would seem that I inadvertently reached the max capacity for a comment) 6/26/2021 09:53:15 am
(responding to Don as a third comment in this thread) 6/26/2021 11:45:47 am
As yet another follow up to the discussion about staffing considerations associated with the current draft of MJI-IPA, one unknown quantity in terms of workload for the SJA is the volume of NJP turndowns. If the battalion commander, for example, wants to impose NJP for an offense that qualifies as a felony, she is the one doing the calculation of the next move if the accused demands trial by court-martial. Part of that calculation is whether she wants to prefer charges if the accused does demand trial. If so, the file comes right back to the commander to prefer charges (or not).
Attorney
6/25/2021 09:04:44 pm
Don,
DON CHRISTENSEN
6/25/2021 11:31:52 pm
This Air Force JAGC posts the results of courts-martial on its website. I just looked at the last 27 courts going back to the end of March. Seven of the cases had assault and battery charges, eight were drug cases, 2 were drunk driving cases, one drunk and disorderly, seven were article 120 cases. There were three cases with Article 92 charges, and there were courts with a 121 charge, 121a and 123 charge. There are overlaps with some involving multiple charges, but this looks consistent with what I saw 10 years ago or twenty years ago. Thirty years go we would have seen more bad check cases, but those were actually fairly labor intensive. 6/26/2021 08:15:10 am
I have been informed that the Army is in the process of reducing the number of TDS billets by 32. Anyone know if this is correct? And if so, what does that mean?
Attorney
6/26/2021 10:33:10 am
Don,
Donald G Rehkopf, Jr.
6/25/2021 05:24:27 pm
The numbers are even worse for the AF because those stats do not appear to take into account that as a Reserve JAG IMA, I was frequently brought on AD to investigate serious offenses, to try complex cases where there were no experienced counsel available, etc.
Nathan Freeburg
6/25/2021 07:04:05 pm
You definitely need to account for SVC/VLCs and more the expansion of adlaw, fiscal law, claims and doing retirees taxes.
Concerned Citizen
6/26/2021 06:00:14 pm
This is an excellent point. Is there any way to quantitatively analyze that? It seems like a lot of things have been increased in the amount of procedure involved (I am thinking for instance of Army administrative investigations, which just since I have been in have gone from having one lawyer involved to two (requiring one lawyer to be a "legal adviser" and another to be a "legal reviewer" and sometimes yet a third to make a recommendation to a commander on it (though. It require by regulation), and have had procedures implemented to require referral to the subject of they are a field grade officer due to the investigations now being available to promotion boards (and now this has been expanded to the company grades)).
Isaac Kennen
6/25/2021 09:05:15 pm
Perhaps we need to abolish domestic court martial proceedings given their apparent rarity. We can leave criminal prosecutions for offenses that occur stateside to the civilian justice system. We can satisfy the need for summary discipline with NJP that cannot be “turned down,” administrative demotions, and administrative discharge proceedings.
Lone Bear
6/25/2021 10:12:59 pm
In the Navy the litigation billets require the most hours. The cases that don’t go forward eat a lot of time, not to mention the data entry required now. A lot of the work happens outside the courtroom, and the courtroom litigation is very time consuming .
V
6/25/2021 10:37:57 pm
Several weeks ago an article in The Hill proported numbers to convince us that the UCMJ is beyond broken. That is, D. Christensen proposed statistics that are meant to convince us a quantifiable proof exists that we are supposed to act upon. Now he says that those numbers are statistically suitable to show they can't be acted upon. 6/26/2021 08:37:40 am
1. When looking at workload per attorney, does it matter that the workload of the defense counsel will almost always be the same regardless of who convenes courts?
John Q. Smith
6/26/2021 11:22:30 am
I honestly don’t care if it is commanders or JAGs who hold disposition authority. I’m fairly confident the sky will not fall either way. What does concern me is splitting the baby. My gut tells me it should be all or nothing. It’s completely unclear what the procedure will look like when cases require involvement from two different disposition authorities. (Not to mention how it may impact military law enforcement coordination with MJAs/TCs).
Scenic Drive
6/26/2021 03:49:16 pm
Brian: since you suggest that Congress members should take a scenic drive to TJAG School for advice on reforms, please let us know of a single proposed change in the MJ system that that institution has vocally supported in the last ten years. 6/26/2021 10:39:18 pm
Deference to civilian control can, should, and does keep TJAGLCS and OTJAG and similar institutions from coming out publicly for or against any suggested reform. That arrangement is valuable for everyone concerned - including we the People. But before members of Congress exercise their Art. I, Sec. 8 responsibility, they have a duty to the military and, by extension, to the People, to inform themselves on the matters about which they are legislating. OTJAG CrimLaw isn't going to come to them, but both OTJAG and TJAGLCS are a short drive away.
TC
6/27/2021 08:53:06 am
Brian, Congress represents the people. OTJAG and Cville JAG instructors do not. Your demand of Congressional deference to the institutional military is dangerous and anti-democratic. Also please try talking less. 6/27/2021 11:51:59 am
TC,
Scenic Drive
6/27/2021 11:58:02 am
There are few military JUSTICE experts in the military. Two years litigating misdemeanors in the arc of a 20 year career does not an expert make. Would you consider an assistant DA an expert in criminal law after two years doing misdemeanor guilty pleas?
TC
6/28/2021 09:22:33 am
Yep. Those who focus on criminal law are less likely to get promoted. Comments are closed.
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